mg_ski_mountain_fix_v2

[notTOMGREEN]

http://www.gamebanana.com/maps/155093

Some servers were having lag issues with mass amounts of players. I believe that eliminating the many trains that are constantly visible will fix this issue. There was also an issue with not enough players being able to play while in the NotD server. I had not seen this issue in other servers, but I had increased the spawn count just in case.

Thank you for your patience.

[[NotD]*sorrow*FatesMoM]

if i can recall the round can go on far to long. how bout after a set time if neither has won every1 can be killed by an avalanche. i suggested it in game during a rnd that seemed to go on for ever. every1 seemed to like it. 

[Death]

I will get this put in as soon as possible.

Thank you

[Chicken Lips]

I will get this put in as soon as possible.

Thank you

Have you talked to TomGreen?

[Death]

Have you talked to TomGreen?

I haven't heard any complaints from TomGreen, and I cannot contact him directly because he won't except my friend request through Steam. If I find out that TomGreen has any problems with this map being on our servers I will remove it though. 

[Tomgreen]

this is a stolen map by some nerd that ive never met look at his name. Ban this loser don't host stolen maps... Kid is so bad at mapping he can't create anything from scratch so he steals.

[Warrior]

this is a stolen map by some nerd that ive never met look at his name. Ban this loser don't host stolen maps... Kid is so bad at mapping he can't create anything from scratch so he steals.

sorry tom about that, i will tell death to remove the map from the MG server asap

[Death]

I think the map is a nice remake, so I don't understand why this is such a big deal. I respect Tom though, and as soon as I can I will have it removed.

[notTOMGREEN]

this is a stolen map by some nerd that ive never met look at his name. Ban this loser don't host stolen maps... Kid is so bad at mapping he can't create anything from scratch so he steals.

Sorry, headshot extraordinaire.
I'm not going to deny stealing it, because it's pretty apparent I've done that. By remaining anonymous, I don't feel it's such a bad thing. Everyone had assumed it was you making the map until you started bad mouthing it

I don't like being called bad at mapping. I'm not . I've had several maps remade or continued off of and I felt honored. Someone cared enough about my work to extend it and make more of it for other people to enjoy more, be it by making certain parts more playable, or by making a whole new map altogether.

By remaking ski_mountain, I was doing the community a favor. Ski_mountain is a great map, it's one of my favorites, and I always have a ton of fun on it. The only problem is, it was very sloppily made, and there were just certain aspects that weren't pleasing. I had to remake the map from scratch, so that point is moot.

First of all, the lighting was very poor due to a leak. Second, I made the map more playable for people new to surfing. Half the people don't die every round due to crashing into the bottom of the map. Third, blocking off the back of the house, in my opinion, was a dumb idea I've added several more features to make the map more interesting and entertaining for everybody. There has only been two complaints about the map, one was from a troll who was trying to make everyone angry, and the other is from you!

I understand that you would like the map to be untouched because you'd like to release remakes of it, but honestly, I haven't seen you deliver. ski_mountain_xmas was honestly a flop. You made the guns look like presents and put in a Christmas tree. It was literally the same map. I felt an obligation to step up and deliver the map that the community deserves. The map is liked by many, so why not fix it up?

I've only helped. The only thing that seems to be damaged is your ego. It's time to chill out and just enjoy the game.

Tom, I'd request that you take a step back, take an impartial look at the map and then tell me that the community (who wants to) doesn't deserve the quality of fix_v2. I'm sure that we both agree that the map is more enjoyable for everyone. Requesting the map to be taken down is just a slap in the face for everyone and is rather selfish.

I haven't seen you playing lately, you are a talented player and I miss the effort it took to try to compete with you

[Tomgreen]

Its a poor remake, there was no leak otherwise water wouldn't have been visible. You tried insulting me on fpsbannana about it, and you barely changed shit. Ask for permission to remake maps otherwise don't. And your either Ipod or a Lt. clan member so stop trying to hide your name because you know this was a douche move. I'm on a break from css because i get tired of stuff like this, and then I don't feel like making you maps anymore so I go make maps for a different game. So being a dick costs everyone future maps. I'm don't want to deal with this gay drama though so if you keep bugging my maps I will just ask the server owners to ban you so you will be stuck in Ipods server only to play... If you liked the map so much you should have respected it a bit more. Now I may not feel like making a ski mountain 2 for the community, if this is what the community does nowadays.

[Death]

Lets not argue about this any longer. You didn't have permission from TomGreen, and rightfully so he's pissed. TomGreen is a well respected player, and map maker by this community, so the remake is now removed from our server.

I personally apologize to TomGreen for putting it on our server in the first place, and from now on I will no longer add any such remakes of your maps without your direct permission.

[notTOMGREEN]

Its a poor remake, there was no leak otherwise water wouldn't have been visible.

I beg to differ:

A leak is also given away by the poor lighting. When there is a leak the lighting does not bounce.


As for the remake being of poor quality:

As you can see, you paid little attention to the mechanics of mapping. The reason ours has much less clipping errors that stops players from sliding is because our brush work is much neater. You have many intersecting brushes that mess up the structure. The vertical divisions are inevitable based on the fact that when you compile, the Valve compiling tools divide up the map into chunks every 1024 units, which are delineated by the highlighted lines on the grid. You also ignored the grid when positioning your map (I assume it was to line up with the sky box), which also caused more unfriendly divisions.

Just a little mapping lesson to take into consideration for any future maps you may make

You tried insulting me on fpsbannana about it, and you barely changed shit.

I changed enough for people to enjoy the map more . Again, there was only two complaints, you and a troll. Everyone else liked it more.

Ask for permission to remake maps otherwise don't. And your either Ipod or a Lt. clan member so stop trying to hide your name because you know this was a douche move.

I'm in [SG]. iPod is a good guy, don't pin anything on him.

I'm on a break from css because i get tired of stuff like this, and then I don't feel like making you maps anymore so I go make maps for a different game. So being a dick costs everyone future maps.

I'm don't want to deal with this gay drama though so if you keep bugging my maps I will just ask the server owners to ban you so you will be stuck in Ipods server only to play... If you liked the map so much you should have respected it a bit more.

I respected the concept enough to clean it up and make it more pleasurable for everyone. People no longer complain when the map gets changed to it. When people get to the original ski_mountain, half the server will rtv immediately. The original 'fix' version was taken off of the [SG] server due to lag issues. There have actually been people requesting to put it back on the server. You can't say that it's a poor remake if people care enough to do such a thing.

Now I may not feel like making a ski mountain 2 for the community, if this is what the community does nowadays.

This is not what the community does, but what the community needs.

The sooner people realize that it's not about the individual, but about the community, the better off the whole world would be. It's why the economy is in the situation it is.

Death, I'm sorry about the drama. It's a shame it had to come down to this. I had great pleasure playing the map while it was up. Thanks for allowing us the time to enjoy it.

Tom, I understand where you're coming from, but honestly I believe that you should be more positive about things. As I said earlier, I've had many maps of mine remade, and it's truly an honor. Even though I may not be able to play fix_v2 on NotD, I will still have the pleasure of playing ski_mountain. Positive vibes, have some It's time to lighten up and chill out.

[Dinky]

I like this nottomgreen guy. Hes not a complete asshole like the real TomGreen.

[FAMOUS]

@dinky have some respect fool. Tomgreen has made a lot of good maps for us to enjoy.

@Tomgreen how about this... Tomgreens name stays on the map since he is the original creator and ultimately came up with the idea of/for the map... but since the fixed version is better we keep using it. Then both nottomgreen and tomgreen shake hands like gentlemen congratulate each other for each having good ideas and awesome mapping skills and we go play some fucking video games or w/e?

[[NotD] Kid Cudi]

I like this nottomgreen guy. Hes not a complete asshole like the real TomGreen.

i kind of agree with dinky. nontom is acting way more mature than tom is atm. just my honest opinion.

but i dont know the whole story so im not one to judge.