G20 Riots

[Electric Sheep]

Proleft articles:
http://www.g20breakdown.com/2010/06/1373/
http://anarchistnews.org/?q=node/11593
http://www.revleft.com/vb/black-clad-protesters-t137631/index.html (<<<thread with pro-leftists arguing over what went down was needed or not. interesting read, plus you get to see my post! )

Proright articles:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2010/06/27/black-bloc-g20-627.html
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/g8-g20/toronto/standoff-ends-in-downtown-toronto/article1620135/


Oh these anarchists. I have to say, i love these guys for a number of reasons. why? let me tell you why.

the Black Bloc is doing exactly what anarchists are known for: havoc. Their purpose is to stir up the beehive and make their presence known. everyone knows what their message is, all they are trying to do is make sure everyone, regardless of class, age, race or sex, knows what that message is.

now dont go believing that these Black Bloc members are those punk teens who are rebelling against their parents, are high school drop outs and sit around all day smoking pot listening to RATM. there is no doubt that there are those types within the BB, but thats only a small portion of the group. the group is all about making a statement in favour of the working class, and making a statement about focusing on somethign more important rather than where the next billion dollars will be spent. They are all about focusing on improving the working conditions the working class has to face day in and day out. they are all about making these corporations know who's who, and when the time comes, we're not afraid to take up arms. when the time comes, we're not afraid to show you that you dont have half as much control over us as you think you do. we're willing to do what we want to your establishment.

In Toronto they smashed the windows of large multi-million dollar corporations to make those rich kids frown (something which i love to see). Now, seeing this from the corporation's side, all it is is just a window, and it can be replaced in a matter of days. in the meantime just put up some wooden boards  and let the business run just like before. not that big of a deal. but the fact of the matter is it happened, and when it did happen, the Black Bloc weren't afraid of doing it, and they aren't afraid of doing it again. to be honest, i wish something like this would happen at my workplace. it'd be awesome to see it all go down.

now with all that said, i can see why people are upset about what happened. the past has shown that peaceful protests is all it takes. all it takes is just a couple thousand people with similar ideologies marching side by side with signs and chants, and willing to fight for what they believe in with words, not with violence. In toronto, there was actually a peaceful march, but they also got mobbed by the police (from what ive read, after the BB went loose, the police didnt care what group you were with).

you know me. im against these corporations, regardless of what they are selling. if i was in toronto during the riots, i dont know where i would stand. I could see myself marching with the peaceful protesters, and the black bloc. i guess it would depend on my mood at the time (i wont deny it, i'd most likely end up marching with the black bloc in the end)

Just as a heads up, if you're going to post in this topic, make sure you have a sense of argument, and are willing to remain civilized and not make personal attacks, blind accusations, or anything with nothing to contribute. At least give us your thoughts. just dont be ignorant about it. use your head.

[shadowofdeath]

Erm....you know to make progress those same companies have to make and spend money? If they go broke who exactly is gonna provide said jobs to make things better for the working class? They should be bringing their issues up with the governments horrendous spending ability.

[Some Retarded Bum]

You know why I hate anarchists? Anarchism favors Social Darwinism, and yet anarchists protest against those who are obviously favored by Social Darwinism due to their ability to manipulate the system and succeed.

Also, let's fight for the rights of a class while representing a classless government system. Makes total sense.

[shadowofdeath]

I find the fact that they try to cause problems for the companies that provide work to citizens over illegals rather amusing. Instead of targeting the problem they vent frustration on whoever is available in the area.

[[NotD] GoT_ShOt]

The problem is that corporations arnt in total control. Who do you see responding to the protestors in those pictures? Its not the corporations that respond, its the government, and government needs to keep its filthy, greedy and manipulative paws off of anything having to do with the economy.

[shadowofdeath]

Yet if there isnt governmental regulations you'll have monopolies running the show charging w/e the hell they feel like charging. Wether its for hi-tech or home essentials.

[[NotD] GoT_ShOt]

Because the free market economy is flawed. It ultimately gives to much power to private parties that are in control of businesses. Yet on the reverse a command economy gives to much power to the goverment and results in a lack of "economic darwinism"(if thats even a proper term) and thus the economy lacks the competition and drive to become more streamlined. So you end up with no motivation for research and development and have a stagnant economy.
   It all falls back on the idea that people are corrupt, greedy and flawed. Give anyone power and they will abuse it for personal gain in the long run. A system designed, created and implemented by flawed individuals will always manifest problems.

[shadowofdeath]

No matter who makes the system there will always be flaws. Do you honestly believe a system created and ran by these anarchists would be any better? No one system will be perfect and destroying the property of those involved doesnt fix anything. It just turns more people against your way of thinking.

[[NotD] GoT_ShOt]

the first part is exactly what I was saying shadow

[shadowofdeath]

I see and thats exactly why peaceful protests are more fruitful. You are able to talk and make concessions with groups isntead of them fearing that your group will just burst into violence at the slightest provocation. These kind of actions is what makes anarchists just another mob bent on destroying things

[[NotD] GoT_ShOt]

in simpler terms, "two wrongs dont make a right"
but in all honesty how was this country founded

[shadowofdeath]

Cetainly wasnt founded on anarchism. Colonists chose to become fully independent instead of partially independent. They didnt do it through random violence against english shopowners and their shops. They went straight into  going after those in charge of making the unfair laws and they first tried to do it peacefully before moving into militaristic actions

[[NotD] GoT_ShOt]

it is a little unsettling though to think of the fact that democracies and especially socialist sovereignties have historically proven to be some of the most short lived models of government. Ours is actually an old country by democratic standards.

[Vini_Vici]

We arnt actually considered a democracy we are more of a Republic and i cant tell you that anarchism is possibly the worst way to get your point across because you look like an uncivil caveman

[[NotD] GoT_ShOt]

We arnt actually considered a democracy we are more of a Republic and i cant tell you that anarchism is possibly the worst way to get your point across because you look like an uncivil caveman

then in that case a real democracy has never existed